Post by taffy_loves_flubbles on Aug 23, 2015 8:41:49 GMT
I go through phases of liking/disliking hip hop. The current stuff, and the 10-15 years before that do next to nothing for me. When it all comes down to it, the "golden age" is where it starts and ends for me. I guess the bottom line is I like the more soulful stuff, with inventive bass lines, great samples , and funky guitar etc. So for me thats Public Enemy, A Tribe Called Quest, Jungle Bros, De La Soul, EPMD, Boogie Down Productions, Eric B & Rakim, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Naughty By Nature and Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy. For some reason could never get into Run DMC (how bad is "Walk This Way"?), The Beastie Boys (the music is usually great, but all that constant high pitched shouting/screaming/wailing spoils it), Snoop Dog, LL Cool J and also all that Gangsta Rap like NWA, Wu Tang Clan and all all those "bitches, ho's, guns and bling" groups is where the wheels fell of the wagon for me.
Bottom line is rap/hip hop is quite probably the most enduring and popular style of music from the last 30 years, but the best of it was made from the mid 80's - mid 90's imo.
You are getting old Gripe. I too have no interest in the gangster rap of 21st century Jamaica and I stopped listening to US "soul" in the early 1970s. When materialism came in, heart and soul went out. I haven't heard a rap tune since the early 1980s but my son has hundreds of cds of gangsta rap.
In fact, I've not heard more than a dozen decent new tunes in any genre since the mid-1980s. I buy blues and hillbilly from the 1940s, ska from the 1960s, vaudeville from the 1920s, rock'n'roll and doo wop from the 1950s, reggae from the 1970s. There is so much old music that is great, from Hank Williams to Mamie Smith to Woody Guthrie to The Overtakers, and youth these days have forgotten how to communicate.
I don't ever expect to hear good new music ever again.
Post by taffy_loves_flubbles on Aug 23, 2015 10:47:00 GMT
Sad, but probably true Reel.
I am always finding old stuff that I either naivley overlooked or assumed I wouldn't like. Such as George Clinton. In the past 3 or 4 months I have been snapping up old second hand copies of Funkadelic and Parliament albums, usually for not much more that 2 or 3 quid per CD. Along with James Brown and Sly Stone these sounds are the very DNA of hip hop. Bottom line is new music doesn't need to just be current, or released this year. New music can be music you have either never heard, or barely heard. African music too is still interesting and developing all the time. I know Grumpy is a huge fan. Two great recent albums are Music In Exile by Songhoy Blues and From Kinshasa by Mbongwana Star. I am sure you will have heard them Grumpy, but if not they are worth checking out.
Yes, Gryffe, enjoying the Mbongwana Star a lot. Must admit I'm (or was until you mentioned them) ignorant of Songhoy Blues but will check them out tout de suite. I'm fairly sure Jumbo's in Leeds will have the CD. Bassekou Kouyate's new(ish) 2015 release 'Ba Power' is well worth checking out if you haven't encountered it yet. I suspect there's still a lot of energy and invention from local bands in small venues but maybe the emphasis is returning to live performance and away from recording albums (I don't know if that is actually the case but am throwing it out as a possibility). Although people like Bowie, The Stones, The Who, Dylan etc etc performed live, their lasting reputation and posterity rests on their recordings rather than their gigs, however "iconic" the latter (such as The Who at Leeds)
I don't know if you can discount recorded music. An album like 'Astral Weeks' or 'Rosalie's Good Eats Cafe' by Bobby Bare are great records. So is 'Beware' by the Overtakers, a rock steady masterpiece. Live bands bore me. Down Gaz's I dance to the ska on record, 'Eastern Standard Time' etc, then leave when the Gaelic Ska Hillbillys come on.
On the contrary Gruff, Van Morrison and Jim Morrisin too are both ungracious boors. However, they both make good music. How can an intelligent man like you not be captivated by Van's romantic Belfast back streets? As for Them, they were a good beat group, that's all. Morrison was their one gifted member.
You dislike Van, Elvis and Sam Cooke. I like all three. You champion music like Lou Reed, Morrissey, Mark E Smith and probably Bowie. Tastes necessarily differ.
I do dislike the first two you mention. Sam Cooke I can listen to although I prefer Otis Redding or James Carr. Even better I like black music that is funkier than these artists - James Brown,Sly Stone and Parliament/Funkadelic. Which almost brings us full circle back to the original topic.
Talking of which, this week I have mostly been listening to Kendrick Lamar. Nice! Great!