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Post by bmd on Mar 16, 2006 12:47:14 GMT
I have a photo of Lee with three cars in a backstreet in Kingston, it looks like one is quite possibly the car you refer to over on the Dark Side.
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Post by Freddy C on Mar 16, 2006 14:54:09 GMT
Is this the Mark One Ford Escort business from the cover of "I Shall Not Remove"?
Bob H. had said that they changed the direction Cornell was looking in, in that photo but as someone else pointed out - Cornell was far too tall in the picture compared to the car.
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Post by bmd on Mar 16, 2006 15:24:50 GMT
If you look at the cover of Remove, either Campbell has had his head stuck entirely on someone else, or severly touched up, I've always thought it never looked quite right.
Anyway, yes it does relate to that post about the cars on B&F. The picture I have is Lee next to a car I can't identify, with two Mk1s in the background, one may well be the same car as is on the cover, it has very very similar hubs.
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Post by Freddy C on Mar 16, 2006 16:03:42 GMT
If it's a car you want identified, Mike, just email me a copy of the pic and I'll probably know it. If you want to know the name on the registration document of the auto (Perry, Ruddock, Campbell etc.) I may not be much help.  That Escort was wearing a set of Minilite alloys like these:  |
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Post by bmd on Mar 16, 2006 16:32:07 GMT
Here is the pic minus the important bit, can you identify all three motors then Freddy? I must say I was most impressed that you knew what alloys those were... what is the car that the Shadow leans upon...  |
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Post by Freddy C on Mar 16, 2006 16:44:47 GMT
Here is the pic minus the important bit, can you identify all three motors then Freddy? I must say I was most impressed that you knew what alloys those were... what is the car that the Shadow leans upon... Tricky. Very little to go on! The car in the foreground isn't another Escort. I think it may be a Mark 3 Ford Cortina. I can tell you that the car on the right looks like it's wearing a set of Rostyle steel wheels and it seems to have a good bit of ground clearance. I'm thinking Mark 2 Cortina or maybe something like a Ford Zephyr or a Zodiac. A serious boffin may be needed here! |
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Post by consciouspilot on Mar 16, 2006 16:55:37 GMT
Dash looks more like an old Granada though....mmmm, a Ford mystery no less!!!
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Post by bmd on Mar 16, 2006 17:15:38 GMT
I thought a possible later Cortina for the one Bunny is leaning upon, Escort in the Background??/ I do have a friend I can send this to and ask him for an i.d. on the three. He once spotted a Ford Anglia in the junkyard at the beggining of the movie Deliverance', it was only in the shot for about three seconds, I'll send it to him now.
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Post by Freddy C on Mar 16, 2006 19:09:15 GMT
Re: the car Bunny's leaning on .... the shape of the door looks more Cortina than Granada to me.
The Mark IV Cortina didn't arrive until about 1977 and I think it looks more Mark III (1972-1976).
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Post by edward on Mar 16, 2006 20:30:54 GMT
I think the quarter light that Mr Shadow has his hand on dates it to a mid to late 60's car. If we're going for a Ford, then yes, a Zodiac or Zephyr maybe. I don't think it's a Cortina, that shoulder below the window looks too wide for that. I don't think it's another Escort on the right. The wheel arch doesn't look right, nor the coachline, and that bit of bumper that's showing (if it is a bumper) definitely isn't an Escort one!  |
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Post by adlewbj on Mar 16, 2006 20:33:26 GMT
i think those minilites you posted a pic of are for volkswagens after they switched to four lug wheels; didnt those brit ones always have five lugs?
i was always partial to lotus wobbly webs anyway.
i think one of those cars in the background is the uk equivalent to the usa cougar at least in styling but they always looked similar anyhow.
nice spotting on the rostars...always thought those looked crappy though. that would make it a chrysler product most likely wouldnt it?
i know my brother jah bill could id them all in a flash.
ps: used to have a 65 anglia van that i stuck a cortina gt motor in and when that got run into the ground, a chevy 283 fuel injected v8. that was fun.
one love
llib haj
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Post by bmd on Mar 16, 2006 20:42:34 GMT
Right my friend Ken who is here says various stuff here is some of it,...
The one Bunny is leaning on...
It's not a Mk3 Cortina, because it has a curve in the door. It isn't a Vauxhall Victor, He says it could be American, mainly because of the depth of the door, it's left hand drive (if that makes any diff or not I don't know), It's not a Ford Consort or Granada, he thinks it could be as has been suggested a Zodiac. Oooops, okay we've just checked and it isn't a Zephyr or Zodiac. Don't yah love Google images...
So it's looking like it may be American.
Car in the background is a Mk1 Escort.
Car on the right could be Mk2 Cortina, but it doesn't have the same bumper as the British model, though Export may have had a different bumper. However Ken really isn't convinced that this is a Mk2 Cortina either because of the bumper shape and the wing isn't quite right, he can't put hsi finger on it, but it's just not quite right.
None of the cars are the same car as the one in the Cornell Campbell shot, as the Mk1 Escorts have different headlight shapes, round as opposed to square.
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Post by Freddy C on Mar 16, 2006 20:53:54 GMT
i think those minilites you posted a pic of are for volkswagens after they switched to four lug wheels; didnt those brit ones always have five lugs? I'm not sure about Minilites and VWs (the air-cooled) variety. If I see them with aftermarket wheels it's usually Empi - 5 or 8 spoke. The 8 spoke Empis look a bit like Minilites. The 5 spoke Empis remind me a little of a wheel that used to be seen a bit on US musclecars in the 70s - maybe something by Cragar (?) I seem to remember a wheel called Rocket, too. nice spotting on the rostars...always thought those looked crappy though. that would make it a chrysler product most likely wouldnt it? Is that what they are in the US? I called them Rostyles - used to see them on MGBs, Rover Coupes etc. ps: used to have a 65 anglia van that i stuck a cortina gt motor in and when that got run into the ground, a chevy 283 fuel injected v8. that was fun. Hey, hey!! So, in the foreground - maybe a Mark III Cortina (Edward could have a point about the doors though), in the background - Mark I Escort and over to the right - totally unsure - I suggested maybe a Zephyr or Zodiac but looking at the deep front bumper/fender it could even be a mid 60s Yank compact - or is it too small?  |
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Post by adlewbj on Mar 16, 2006 21:03:13 GMT
yeah i think youre right about the rostars or rostyles or whatever...they had similar wheels on mopars but also the mgbs etc like you say. still that car looks like a usa car as does the one the shadow is leaning on now that i look closer. there are a lot of USA cars in jamaica. both those cars look to large for uk models.
re: empi from what i recall the five lug minilite lookalikes were 5 spoke while the 8 spoke ones were four lug; thats why i thought those were vw wheels there.
i will ask my brother when he returns from shagging his 22 year old girlfriend, pictured in trinity's avatar. that guy, will he ever grow up? and why would he want to?
one love
llib haj
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Post by Freddy C on Mar 16, 2006 21:04:55 GMT
Right my friend Ken who is here says various stuff here is some of it,...
The one Bunny is leaning on...
It's not a Mk3 Cortina, because it has a curve in the door. It isn't a Vauxhall Victor, He says it could be American, mainly because of the depth of the door, it's left hand drive (if that makes any diff or not I don't know), It's not a Ford Consort or Granada, he thinks it could be as has been suggested a Zodiac. Oooops, okay we've just checked and it isn't a Zephyr or Zodiac. Don't yah love Google images...
So it's looking like it may be American. I suggested Mark III Cortina - but yes it is left hand drive which I overlooked. The Cortina had very American inflenced styling. If it is something American it could be so many things! Car on the right could be Mk2 Cortina, but it doesn't have the same bumper as the British model, though Export may have had a different bumper. However Ken really isn't convinced that this is a Mk2 Cortina either because of the bumper shape and the wing isn't quite right, he can't put hsi finger on it, but it's just not quite right. I think the side curves a little too much for a Mark II Cortina and the bumper and ride height suggests an American car, again. This could prove really tricky. |
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Post by Freddy C on Mar 16, 2006 21:09:06 GMT
i will ask my brother when he returns from shagging his 22 year old girlfriend, pictured in trinity's avatar. that guy, will he ever grow up? and why would he want to?
one love
llib haj Oh, I wouldn't disturb him, Bill. If that really is his girl there, he's probably above all this nonsense .... |
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Post by bmd on Mar 16, 2006 21:10:19 GMT
I think the side curves a little too much for a Mark II Cortina and the bumper and ride height suggests an American car, again.
... that's exactly verbatim what we both thought.
Ken swears though that the foreground car is deffo not a Cortina of any Mark. (The Mk3 didn't have quarter lights did it!?) Though I'm not good at all at this sort of thing I've learnt to trust his (Ken's) opinions, he spots shit miles away by engine note, and you can see a 1 second bit of a motor on a film and he's got it straight away.
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Post by Freddy C on Mar 16, 2006 21:15:01 GMT
there are a lot of USA cars in jamaica. When I was there in 2001 every other car seemed to be a Toyota Corolla. All white so they couldn't fade in the sun. And everyone seemed to have purple tinted film stuck onto the inside of their car windows. Whoever sells that stuff in JA must be quite wealthy. ;D |
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Post by Freddy C on Mar 16, 2006 21:25:25 GMT
Ken swears though that the foreground car is deffo not a Cortina of any Mark. (The Mk3 didn't have quarter lights did it!?) He's right - I've just checked - no quarterlights. Since I thought it was a Mark III and the III looks American, it probably is a US motor in the pic. If you suss them, I'd say you're doing well. I'm just thinking on what Jah Bill said and wondering if the one on the right could be a Dodge or Plymouth of approximately 1966-1967 vintage - a compact saloon. |
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Post by adlewbj on Mar 16, 2006 22:56:02 GMT
a coronet or a volare perhaps?
one love
llib haj
who IS this "bill" guy anyway?
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Post by adlewbj on Mar 16, 2006 22:59:02 GMT
speaking of cars anyone here ever see the film short "rendezvous"?
great film of an early morning blast through paris behind the wheel of a ferrari 250 swb (though you never see the car itself).
one love
llib haj
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Post by dubminister on Mar 17, 2006 5:16:27 GMT
It all reminds me of the song........
'I wish I had a Ford Cortina
Cortina owner no one meaner
whiplash arial, racing trim'
That's about all I remember of Tom Robinson's classic and perhaps a chorus about singing if you're glad to be gay or something...............
Mikey, I don't think Mick is hanging out over here much - I talked to him recently and he even gave me a couple of free BAF 7"s which was very nice.
dm
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Post by bmd on Mar 17, 2006 8:16:37 GMT
We had a good look at late 60s Dodge, and Plymouth, no good.
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Post by edward on Mar 17, 2006 15:22:38 GMT
Had a love affair with Nina in the back of my Cortina a seasoned up hyena could not have been more obscener she took me to the cleaners and other misdemeanours but I got right up between her rum and her Ribena Ian Dury - from Billericay Dickie |
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Post by ringo on Mar 17, 2006 18:41:10 GMT
The driver of the Ferrari in Rendesvous was seriously lucky to get away with it. An amazing piece of film which I suppose could never be repeated now.
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Post by adlewbj on Mar 17, 2006 18:49:13 GMT
look at a ford fairlane, mid to late 60s then mikey, thats what that fender looks like to me (the one on the right i mean). and the one the shadow is leaning on looks more and more like a ford too from the looks of what you can see of the hood.
ringo why was the driver seriously lucky to get away with it? seems to me he had a number of close encounters and was saved by driving skill more than once.
and about repeating it now, is it a lot more congested on an early sunday morning in paris now?
i totally love that film, probably watch it at least a couple times a year. will seriously get your blood racing just watching it.
one love
llib haj
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Post by bmd on Mar 17, 2006 19:56:04 GMT
hi JB, YES had a look at a 1972 Ford Fairlane and was immediately struck that it looked right..
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Post by bmd on Mar 19, 2006 19:41:40 GMT
Car on the right isn't a Ford Fairlane, but could possibly be a Ford Falcon.
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