Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 11:11:49 GMT
,,,, oh and you really should write a book about the class system. You are utterly obsessed by it.
My impression of The Slits was that they knew they were really amateurish, but their enthusiasm was quite infectious and Cut is a really good album against all the odds. This probably wasn't hindered by the fact that the drummer Budgie was undoubtedly the best drummer of that whole era, crucial to the kind of music they were making, and Dennis Bovell did a fantastic production job. So what if she/they were middle class, what kind of fascist outlook dictates who can and can't make music? Maybe she snubbed you one day when she mistook you for the tea boy at NME? And surely a poor little rich girl wouldn't live in a squat if she didn't "mean it maaan"?
|
|
|
Post by Mr Swing Easy on Jun 17, 2012 11:36:00 GMT
for purely self serving reasons here is a list of bands i saw between march 1978 and december 1982 in rough order of appearance. all the shows were either in canterbury kent or london.
squeeze,radio stars, eddie & the hot rods, deaf school, dr feelgood, camel, john miles, buzzcocks, magazine, the jam (x5) , selector, the beat (x2), specials, madness, the stranglers , souxsie and the banshees (atrocious), the ramones (no tix, got in with the boys via the stage door), rich kids, patrik fitzgerald, the cure, tom robinson band, stiff little fingers, undertones, boomtown rats, purple hearts, merton parkas, the clash, culture, dire straights (outstanding - 1978 dominion TCR), carmel, kid creole and the coconuts and at least as many again that i have forgotten.
pound for pound the best of all of them was stiff little fingers (supporting tom robinson band autmn 1979 from memory) at university of kent at canterbury, the were so raw and desperate for the success. the undertones, of course, the sweetest of them all but i was an out and out Jam Boy and then a Beat-nik so those 7 (including the penultimate ever Jam show - wembley december 1982) should take precedence.
T
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 11:51:42 GMT
Pity you didn't enjoy the Banshees Mr Easy, but at least you saw Camel and the "outstanding" Dire Straits. Back in the late 70's and early 80's myself and a guy at work would regularly go to gigs together. He would tag along to "my" gigs, and I would tag along to "his" This meant I was "treated" to gigs by Joe Jackson, The Police, Gary Numan and Dire Straits. Dire Straits was the worst gig I have ever had the misfortune to witness, no mean feat given how crap the rest of "his" bands were. Although at least I got to see The Cramps supporting The Police. He hated all "my" gigs too, so fair play to him!!
|
|
|
Post by Mr Swing Easy on Jun 17, 2012 21:25:19 GMT
yes forgot joe jackson, 'look sharp' tour, uni of kent 79 or so. camel were a pretty cool listen for a 15 year old who liked a bit of wishbone ash and a cheeky toke on the side at the time. and they were from canterbury. gary numan was years ahead of his time trance wise & his music holds up remarkably well now & is being sampled all over.
obviously the rest of the list made you throw up sean : -
magazine -july 1978 - - 'shot by both sides' i can still see devoto now singing that
undertones - november 1979 rainbow finsbury park - insane, pack full of neo-mods raving to the derry boys
SLF - unbelievably good
walking in with the ramones : joey to MSE 'come in with us man, its wet out here', all good.
the beat / selector/specials same bill - no more than 40 of us @ canterbury tech college
the cure was dec 78 'killing an arab' release time supporting the jam. i thought they were boring at the time & their success surprised me.
culture - venue @ victoria september 1981 with full horns backing and band > a revelation
T
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 21:38:35 GMT
Gary Numan was harmless I guess, but about as original as a dodgy "rolex" watch that you can buy in any mediteranean holiday resort. "Cars" was, and still is a cracking song though. Never managed to catch Magazine till the reformation tour, although did see Devoto's solo tour in '83 I think it was. Undertones I could never take seriously, John O'Neill was a great songwriter but Sharkey was, is, and will always be a fud. SLF - no more comments needed from me. Ramones - originals and best. Culture, saw them at Edinburgh Usher Hall in 1978 or thereabouts. Joseph Hill in full military regalia, support came from Tradition - London group if I recall, certainly from UK.
|
|
|
Post by Mr Swing Easy on Jun 17, 2012 21:46:44 GMT
now you are talking. top effort on culture there. beg to differ on gary numan - highly original wall of sound. I could not abide kraftwerk but loved gary's pop sensibility. the undertones tremendous pop music - 'get over you' their finest 3 minutes and they were an emotonal watch live for me. supported by secret affair or somesuch terrrible mod tribute band.
sorry : forgot Talking Heads supported by Tom Tom Club - Zagreb July 1982 while Inter-railing
T
|
|
|
Post by kas on Jun 18, 2012 7:27:01 GMT
I very much enjoyed the part three of the series - up until that lat bit where one of the interviewees was given an odd opportunity to market his latest record... And maybe dragging Orange Juice in was a bit unnenecessary, I never saw them carrying the punk/postpunk flame in the slightest way.
I never saw any of these bands during that time, except Selector on a festival, they were very entertaining - Siouxsie and The Banshees I did get to see, but a bit later. also, this was the time when NME was easily available even here in Finland where I was and am living. And they did play the music in radio, even Wire. Can't remember hearing Cockney Rejects though, so maybe it was all an inside job of the university types...
It was nice to see Vini Reilly is still around, even though he looks at least as frail as he always has. And yes, I join in with Gripe in defending the Slits and Viv Albertine. So they have a decent livelihood and a nice place to live, instead of living in the gutter and spewing "class conscious" insults to passers-by? Over where I live that is called getting ahead in life.
|
|
|
Post by mch on Jun 18, 2012 7:52:10 GMT
Orange Juice were indeed a significant part of the post punk scene. So much so in fact that Simon Reynold's book on the subject was even titled "Rip It Up & Start Again". "You Can't Hide Your Love Forever" is one of the best debut albums ever in my book.
|
|
|
Post by Mr Swing Easy on Jun 18, 2012 14:02:22 GMT
........ yes second that mch - postcard records had it going on & edwin collins went on to great things in his own right : 'looking for a girl like you' one of the great 90s pop records. i thought jesus and mary chain had something genuinely original too from the same city.
one i left off because they were a personal thing was a group called the hollywood killers who were very active in the early 80s on the london 'pub rock' scene. saw them many times in the golden lion and the greyhound fulham palace road & they were a dynamic live band of naughty public schoolboys hooked on the rolling stones. 'like a butterfly' their only known release but it was their cover of the rolling stones 'off the hook' that we awaited every week. we became camp followers (as it were) & got into the scene with them - they were top notch stoners and had a huge following of lovely girls. emma from wimbledon, if you are out there ....
T
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 14:16:47 GMT
Dont tell Rene Peel whatever you do, only working class oiks can make music according to him.
|
|
|
Post by Mr Swing Easy on Jun 18, 2012 14:37:40 GMT
.. i was privately educated from 11-18 myself sean & have turned out OK but back then there was a certain type of chelsea public schoolboy who could be pretty switched on & feature in the stories of keith richards & the like. the hollywood killers were as tight as a drum live & had in jim penfold (if you are out there jim !) a louchely charismatic lead singer. wicked guy, he used to take me and olly toking in the back of the band transit before each and every show at the golden lion. must have seen them 30 or so times 81-82. happy days. T.
|
|
|
Post by lankou2 on Jun 18, 2012 16:58:06 GMT
I haven't posted here for ages but maybe some of you would be interested to discover that very nice but not amateurish cover of the Slits :
Straight from Japan !
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 17:32:07 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Mr Swing Easy on Jun 19, 2012 0:00:46 GMT
All part of the service, lads. Glad you enjoyed. MSE.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 18:51:30 GMT
Viv Albertine has aged into the middle class lady she always was. The Slits were well-mannered gals, and in the case of Ari Aunt Sally an extremely rich one. Ms Albertine has merely reverted to type. All the group's punk aura was a pose. Rich bitches acting like they were born on a Peckham council estate when in fact they came frrom nice, relatively comfortable families. Burn them. Reel Just read an article in the last ever edition of The Word magazine about musicians (including Viv Albertine)who took to squatting during the 70's. Interesting how so many "middle class" people like Albertine decided to squat and live away from their "nice, relatively comfortable families", which to me is one of the least middle class things I can think of. I suppose these were different times though where talented people wanted to mix with other talented people and this was the most practical and economic way of doing it. It's impossible to imagine todays indie kids doing this, they would have a meltdown if they couldn't charge their mobile phones. Other spoilt little rich kids who shared their squatting memories were Green Gartside, A d r i a n S h e r w o o d, Kirk Brandon and Fiona Russell Powell. Under discussion were people from the squatting scene such as all the members of The Clash, Lydon, Boy George, various Pogues and Chrissie Hynde .
|
|
|
Post by I on Aug 19, 2012 19:27:01 GMT
Green Gartside now lives two streets away from me, in a beautiful terrace house on Colvestone Crescent. It must be worth well over a million quid. I know this because he's invited me in. Directly opposite Green resides Adrian Whittaker, the author of Be Glad: An Incredible String Band Compendium.
Grope, I don't know about Scotland but here in London, that is what the middle classes always do; ie pretend they come from poor families. It doesn't sound middle class to me either but there it is!
Reel
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 20:13:30 GMT
Mr Vowel,
Just where do these "classes" begin and end? Do the lines blur at all?
What is the criteria? Is it a state of mind, the area you live in, your income, or just a load of bullshit?
Personally I take people as I find them, I couldn't give a fck what perceived , imaginary "class" they are supposed to be.
|
|
|
Post by grumpy on Aug 19, 2012 21:25:28 GMT
Unimportant fact: Green Gartside is an alumnus of the august establishment at which I have had the pleasure of working for the last couple of decades.
OK, that's all.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 23:29:49 GMT
Mr Vowel, Just where do these "classes" begin and end? Do the lines blur at all? What is the criteria? Is it a state of mind, the area you live in, your income, or just a load of bullshit? Personally I take people as I find them, I couldn't give a fck what perceived , imaginary "class" they are supposed to be. btw, I do not expect to get an answer to my question. Any time I ask him a direct question he fails to deliver an answer.
|
|